CVE ID Syntax Change – My Feedback

CVE ID Syntax Change – My Feedback

Today (Jan 22, 2013), I saw that Mitre had released a public call for feedback in regards to proposed CVE identifier syntax changes.

I took a few minutes after reviewing their proposed choices and sent a response. If you work heavily in vulnerability management or information security I would recommend you review the proposed changes at the link above and give your feedback.

The text from my feedback on the propose changes is below.


 I think Option B is the best option.. 

Reasons for Option B
– Option B provides the clearest path forward for programs that use or parse CVE numbers because it…

  • Allows backward compatibility (software shops can continue using current parsing logic & display formats) It only has to change if/when needed.
  •  Allows companies to update their CVE data field parsing algorithms to a best practice of taking any numbers found in the digits field without requiring them to expect the padded zero formats. Expecting and forcing a new format forces changes throughout any existing code.
  • Allows simpler algorithm for parsing new or old CVE format data. If you force padded zero’s, then programs will have to base their parsing logic for the number field based on the year field, or be based on the number of digits in the field. If you choose option B, the logic can be the same for the old and new format (just accept whatever is there), and not really care about the number of digits initially. This might allow for an easier adoption by code that currently parses CVE data. (option C would require even more changes)

– Yes, option B does not force the hand of every software developer to immediately update code and logic for your changes,  which might actually be your saving grace. This puts the responsibility on the software developers and companies to comply with the format changes, but does not force a change on them that breaks functionality and their product otherwise.

This takes the pressure off Mitre that will come from “breaking” money-making products for companies, and puts it back on the companies to make the changes.

Why Not A?
-Depending on a certain number of digits (6) with leading zero’s forces programs to immediately update algorithms and display fields before they are compatible. 1 year is not much time for applications heavily integrated into enterprises. I doubt you will get good adoption for your new format in the requested 1 year timeframe regardless.

Why Not C?
-Same reason as “why not” for reason A. And you are now adding yet another field to be parsed that adds very little effective value.

Why Not B?
– The reasons posted on Openwall as shortcomings for reason B are valid, except that I don’t really buy the whole “it’s not as forward compatible” logic. It actually could be the most forward compatible option if your guideline is that you must accept any number of digits given.

Malware Analysis Tools Overview

Today I gave a presentation to our local Northwest Arkansas ISSA chapter on the topic of Malware Analysis Tools and handed out some of Lenny Zelter’s cheat sheets.

I’ve attached the LibreOffice Presentation file to this post to allow easy access. Malware Analysis Tools Presentation

The NorthWest Arkansas ISSA chapter typically meets the first Tuesday of each month at Dink’s BBQ in Bentonville, Arkansas.

Root Cause Analysis in Vulnerability Management

 Root Cause

If you are not familiar with the subject of “Root Cause” or Root Cause Analysis I would encourage you to read about it on Wikipedia before reading the rest of this post. In short, Root Cause Analysis is trying to determine the earliest factors of the Cause of an event or issue and not simply treating the Symptoms of an event or issue.

Nothing New Here..

I worked in IT Infrastructure and studied business for years before I started working in IT Security. I’ve found that most operational management principles apply to Information technology and Information security processes in nearly the same way as they apply to manufacturing or other business processes.

Root Cause Analysis is yet another operations management topic that directly applies to information security vulnerability management.

Some use cases for Root Cause Analysis in Information Security Vulnerability Management.

(Root cause analysis for these 4 cases below will be broken out into another post and linked here when complete)

  • Why are system vulnerabilities there?
  • Why do system vulnerabilities continue to show up?
  • Why are coding weaknesses in my code?
  • Why do coding vulnerabilities continue to show up in our code?


Isn’t this Common Sense?

No.  See below for why…

Treating or Correcting Root Cause is Harder than Treating Symptoms

Treating symptoms is nearly always quicker and easier than resolving root cause.

– Treating symptoms gives an immediate short term relief. This short term & quick fix creates a very direct emotional response. If you are in pain, and a doctor gives you a shot to numb the pain, that feels great right? But what if they never fix the reason you are having the pain in the first place? You could keep needing those shots every day. After a while you will probably decide that putting in the effort of fixing the “root cause” of your pain is a better option.

Resolving the root cause to an issue typically doesn’t have that immediate emotional feeling of relief because it takes longer. It takes planning, discipline, and often a strategic patience to influence others to help resolve the root cause of an issue.

I think that treating symptoms is the more “natural” reactive response to a problem. The more proactive and mature response to an issue is to take the time to determine and analyze root cause.


Reboot it? A great example of this issue is very common in IT Infrastructure or Development operations. An application area or systems team has an application or system that starts behaving strangely or stops working. The common response is to just reboot the system or restart the process. This may resolve the problem that time, but it is likely that the problem may re-occur, or just be an earlier indicator of a larger problem. If you take the time to gather documentation (memory dumps, logs, etc..) for root cause analysis before rebooting the system or restarting the process you will be able to research root cause. This is more difficult initially because the process of getting memory dumps and logs may take a while longer than simply restarting something. If you never address the root cause, these symptoms will keep stacking up and drive up your support and maintenance costs as well as impact availability.

Patches – Is it easier to install a bunch of patches on some systems, or to implement a solid process and resources to ensure that patches are always correctly installed and validated on systems? Installing a patch is treating a symptom. Implementing an effective patch management process is treating root cause.

Some may argue that root cause of patching starts all the way back at the processes of the operating system development. That is true, however you always have to realize that there are some root causes that are out of your control. In this case, you can effectively treat the root cause reason of why the patches are missing, but not why they are needed in the first place.

Social Issues – Social and political issues most often have symptoms treated because resolving root cause is typically assumed to require behavior changes or other changes that are considered too difficult or unpopular to implement.

Should my focus always be on fixing Root Cause?

Now we are getting into opinion, but I think that root cause should be identified and how to resolve the issue should be analyzed. Choosing to address root cause or not is a business prioritization issue just like any other project that should be evaluated. However, the choice to Not address root cause needs to be documented and known. Why? Because the symptoms of that root cause will continue, and they should be expected to continue.

 Hybrid Approach

I think that taking the parallel approach of treating some symptoms while working on remediating root cause is a reasonable approach. Unfortunately, since the temptation to focus on treating symptoms is so strong, it often takes a very determined person to ensure that root cause is addressed.

BADSIG errors when updating Backtrack using apt-get

  • If you are getting BADSIG errors when updating your Backtrack install.. (Like below)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: revolution Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AB6DA34B475A6B7F BackTrack Repository Admin <>
W: GPG error: revolution Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AB6DA34B475A6B7F BackTrack Repository Admin <>
W: GPG error: revolution Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AB6DA34B475A6B7F BackTrack Repository Admin <>
  • You can run the following commands to clean things up and allow your updates to start working again. I found this on someone else’s website in regards to Ubuntu updates, so it doesn’t have anything directly to do with Backtrack as far as I can tell.
  • I created a little script called to resolve this issue as it seems to happen a lot to me. Probably because of something I’m doing causing the issue.
root@bt:~# cat
sudo apt-get clean 
cd /var/lib/apt 
sudo mv lists lists.old 
sudo mkdir -p lists/partial 
sudo apt-get clean 
sudo apt-get update

Hope this helps someone!

How To Understand a Vulnerability Scan Report – Part 1 – The IP Address

Part 1 of a multiple part series explaining vulnerability scan data and nuances of how that data should be used.


  • IP Address

    • This is (of course) the network address that the vulnerability was found on.
    • The IP address is the one piece of data you can count on to always be in your vulnerability scan data.  A vulnerability scanner always must have an IP address to probe for vulnerabilities, so this is the key starting point for any vulnerability scan data.
    • Some of your customers or app/developers infrastructure developers may not understand networking very well, so it is a good idea to supply dns name and/or host name to them also.  I will cover those in a later post.
    • One host (server, machine, appliance.. whatever you want to call it) may have multiple IP addresses. Correcting a vulnerability may resolve the finding on multiple IP addresses.  Some common uses of multiple network adapters listed below..
      • Main Adapter
      • Backup Network Adapter
      • HeartBeat/Cluster Network Adapter
      • Management Card (This is often an embedded device on its own and not managed by the host OS)
      • Other (Redundant adapter, Crossover cable adapter, Some servers may have adapters on multiple networks for various reasons)
    • One good approach for vulnerability footprint reduction is to ask the server and application owners if their services and/or apps need to be available on all the IP addresses on the system where the service is found running.
      • For example.. Apache may be found running on all the IP addresses on the server.. It usually does not need to be on all of them.
    • The IP address listed may actually be the Virtual IP (VIP) that points to a particular port on a webserver. (ports will be covered later)
      • One Host/Webserver may have multiple websites running on it. The VIP that you see in the vulnerability scan may be redirected by a network load balancer to a particular listening port on one of the webserver IP addresses. This means there can easily be a Many-to-One relationship of IP addresses to one server or group of servers..
      • In this case you will need to have information about the load balancer configurations of your environment to determine which webserver port/instance and/or server may have the vulnerability in question. This information should show the VIP and which port on another IP address that gets the traffic from that VIP. The VIP is often facing a non-trusted network like the Internet, or just used for load balancing and/or to allow a webserver to be used more efficiently.
    • Other– The IP address can often tell you other information. Based on your network design it could tell you physical location, system type, network zone (like DMZ) etc.. It is a good idea to understand how your company provisions and allocates IP addresses and networks. This information can often allow you to understand more about an IP address than what they vulnerability scanner tells you. – Data Based Security Site

I recently made a small contribution to

If you are in the IT  Security field and ever need to analyze CVE data or search for security issues on a certain product or Vendor, this is a great site to use. This is one of the few sites that are purely focused on security data and details that can be used to do objective security research.

I would encourage anyone else out there that finds this site useful to make a contribution. If your company could use their data or services I would encourage you to become a corporate sponsor.

We need more of these types of sites that are working to improve transparency and availability of IT Security related data.

Bird Flu and Security Bugs – Research Gone Awry?

Several times in the news lately I’ve heard about the Bird Flu Research controversy. Each time I hear about this controversy I want to compare it to the recent controversy around SCADA IT Security research being published directly to security testing tools companies. I don’t think it is a stretch to compare these 2 topics. While there are some obvious differences, many of the arguments are similar..


To Publish or Not to Publish?

One of the main concerns around the bird flu research is whether the results and methodology of the research should be fully published.

The premise used to justify publishing vulnerabilities in the IT security industry is that exposing IT security vulnerabilities and making them easier to exploit forces companies to patch these vulnerabilities and create more secure software and systems over the long run. I believe this premise is true. Most companies would not enhance the security measures in their code or systems unless necessary. The cost for developing software is mainly in the initial development, anything afterwards is maintenance cost that is typically a cost center and not a revenue generator. So any company will attempt to keep their maintenance (creating code patches) cost as low as possible.

This same premise has been used to defend publishing the research on the bird flu. A nation that wanted to do its own malicious bird flu research could do that if they wanted, so we should understand and be prepared for that scenario. So just like we should improve software or systems, we should improve our ability to identify and respond to a malicious strain of bird flu.


Does the research help or hurt??

The concern around the bird flu research information is that malicious actors could use the information to create some kind of biological weapon. The very same type of concern exists around IT security research. If you show a bad guy how to exploit a vulnerability on a system, they are more likely to use it, or it makes greatly reduces the time and effort needed to create their own exploit.

Whenever you reduce the effort (time, cost, risk) of exploiting a vulnerability or showing how to develop a stronger virus, you initially will increase the risk of people using that information for their own purposes.

So does it help or hurt? Initially it hurts. The publishing of the vulnerability forces companies to dedicate resources to the analysis, development, and deployment of patches. After the initial pain, it helps the companies by ensuring their code and systems are more secure. The long term effect that *should* happen is that development companies should change their processes to ensure they develop code security, consumer companies should ensure they have enough resources to keep systems patched, and the whole cycle should gradually become a less hectic normal maintenance routine.

For Bird Flu research it can help to ensure that public administrations prepare and have plans in place for dangerous virus outbreaks.


What is the real question that needs to be answered?

Is the initial increase in risk caused by releasing research information worth the mid-term and long-term reward of improving the products or being more prepared for a lethal virus outbreak?

Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find any real data to support whether security research disclosure truly helps improve security over the long run.  I think that it does, and I think the IT Security industry believes it does, however this seems to largely be “common wisdom” and not based on any hard facts. (please correct me if I am wrong)


Conflict of Interest?

There are some obvious conflicts of interest that create “grey” areas in IT Security research. When a security researcher works closely with vulnerability testing companies to incorporate working exploits for vulnerabilities they have found instead of working with the companies that publish the software with those exploits, it makes me question their motives.  Also, if my company sells security testing software, then having a check for a vulnerability that no other company has and/or has no patch is a competitive advantage. Is the security company truly first concerned with the security of their customers or with their sales?

For virus or disease research I don’t see anything like this happening that I know of. I suppose a researcher could work directly with a pharmaceutical company, but the whole concept doesn’t apply very well to disease research and pharma development.

How to Resolve *Some* of these Questions

Security testers and security companies that deal with exploits and vulnerabilities should be very clear about what responsible disclosure guidelines, code of ethics, or methodology they follow when disclosing vulnerabilities.(if any)  Customers of security services or security testing software should ensure that they purchase from companies or researchers that align with their own code of ethics.

So what about Bird Flu research? Why can’t the National Academy of Science or World Health Organization provide guidance around research regarding increasing the virulence of a virus or disease? Research labs or Universities should clearly define what guidance or methodology they follow around this type of research and it should be a condition of disclosure when applying for funding and grants.


Why You Must Prioritize IT Vulnerability Risks

Why You Must Prioritize IT Vulnerability Risks – A common sense explanation.

  • Why should you prioritize the risks in your IT network?

  • Why can’t you just fix ALL the problems?

Unless you work in a company that has unlimited resources and you have absolute support at all levels for remediating the vulnerabilities in your environment, you MUST prioritize the issues that cause the most risk to your IT environment.


Analogy.. “The To-Do List”

Say your wife gives you a list of 150 things to get done on a Saturday afternoon.. How many can you realistically get done? Maybe 5? Maybe 10 if the tasks are small.

If you have a large network, you likely have many possible vulnerabilities. Say you have a relatively small list of 300 security issues found from vulnerability scans and other security assessments and tests.. Can you realistically expect all the teams that would own fixing those issues to drop everything they are doing and fix the “list” of issues you give them?

How much security remediation work can you really expect to accomplish? The answer for these types of questions is more dependent on how your organization functions than on any calculations or math.  Every IT shop is trying to fight for resources to..

1) Implement customer projects.

2) Upgrade and/or modernize their own infrastructure.

3) Implement their own strategic initiatives.

4) Have a work/life balance.


Where does that leave working on tasks to fix issues that have been found through security testing?

The naive answer is to say that security should always be a top priority and the teams should figure out a way to get the work done. For those that work in the real world it simply is not that easy.

Resources such as budget, hardware, and time is limited. Some IT shops are fighting to survive. If they have to stop business driven projects for 3 months to fix security issues their business customers may choose to use other options.

What is the answer?

The answer is to use Risk Analysis and Risk Management techniques to determine what the highest risk vulnerabilities are to your IT environment. This is called using a “Risk Based Approach.”  Simply put, it means to fix the most risky things first. You would think this is common sense, but you would be wrong. There is often a reflexive response to any type of possible security issue. The reflex response is “just fix it”. If there are 5 issues, then just fix them. If there are 200 issues, then just fix them.

The problem is that most decent sized companies will have many possible issues. You simply can not have a completely secure environment without making the environment unusable.  I go back to the example of having a list of 150 tasks to complete in one day. It simply isn’t possible. However, could you get 5 done? Probably so. Could you get a small amount done on 20 tasks? Probably so.

So which one is better? Getting 5 security issues completely resolved or 20 issues partially completed in a year? That needs to be a management decision based on good risk analysis of the issues.

Fixing security issues is an effort like any other.

The whole point of this post is to get you to understand that resolving security issues is no different from any other project or effort. No company or organization can implement every good idea. They must prioritize in order to get the best results from their efforts.

Resolving security issues is a work effort just like any other in an IT organization. The effort must be prioritized against all other efforts so that they can get the proper focus and funding. If you don’t have focus on a few things, then you get very little accomplished, and your efforts are spread thin.

Final Analogy… Pruning…

Every organization is like a rose bush or a grape vine. In order for nutrients to allow the main stems and fruit to truly mature and reach its full potential, you must prune the small branches and vines that use up the resources of the plant that don’t add any fruit or flowers. The small branches use energy and resources, and eventually will cause the plant to be poor producer of fruit or flowers. Why? Because no focus was devoted to the things that mattered.

Final Point : To get things done, you must prioritize and be able to focus your energy and effort on what matters most.

NorthWest Arkansas ISSA Presentation

I’m giving a high level presentation over the PCI-DSS requirements around Vulnerability Management and Penetration testing for our April 5 ISSA meeting.

Most of the details will be in Q&A and discussion. So don’t expect a lot of deep content in the powerpoint slides linked below.


The meetings are typically held on the first Tuesdays of each month at Whole Hog Cafe. A great Memphis style barbecue restaurant in Bentonville Arkansas.